DEBOKI CHAKRAVARTI: One of the other aspects that I'm so curious about, and I don't have an answer, but: I wonder like how much of our framing of phobias is also social…
HZ: There is some suggestion that certain fears are community-led. Like when John Wayne Gacy's case was big news, a lot more people were claiming coulrophobia, the fear of clowns.
SAM JONES: Yeah. That would make sense.
HZ: Sort of, but it should more be fear of –
SAM JONES: Serial killer clowns?
DEBOKI CHAKRAVARTI: Yeah.
SAM JONES: Or just serial killers.
Allusionist 220. Disobedience transcript
SO MAYER: Being perceived, being heard: we often think about the painful aspect of that as being misheard, being criticised, being deliberately misunderstood, being shouted down. And I've experienced all those things, of course I have. But the possibility of actually being heard is equally as painful. Because it also asks what would be the result of that, that if someone said, "Okay. I've taken on what your book is saying. What now? Back to you." And that's what a good therapist does: "I've heard you. Now what are you gonna do about it?" And then going: oh, supposedly through my educational privilege, I've been taught to take power from using language. And here I am using language and I don't feel powerful. I feel afraid and I feel ashamed, and I feel like someone's gonna hit me in the mouth.
Read more
