Allusionist 219. Making Trouble transcript

October 26, 2025 The Allusionist

MOLLY NAYLOR: I don't like to compliment my guests or talk about how brilliant they are.

HZ: That's fine. That means I don't have to rebuff your compliments in that kind of, “Oh no, praise! I feed on it, but also, I don't know how to handle it!” We won't have to do that.

MOLLY NAYLOR: Yeah, I hate to receive it. And if I didn't receive it, I would die.

HZ: Who are we? We're uninflated balloons. Not just uninflated, balloons that had been previously inflated and had deflated.

MOLLY NAYLOR: Left over at the kids party. Shrivelled. That's what we are. Great.

Allusionist 85. Skin Story - transcript

September 21, 2018 The Allusionist

HZ: Thirteen or so years ago, I met a friend at a pub, and she had someone with her who had a tattoo on her elbow of the word ‘cuticles,’. An unusual word to see as a tattoo - unlikely to be the name of a loved one or a birthplace or something. And also it wasn’t just the word ‘cuticles’, it was ‘cuticles’ followed by a comma.

SHELLEY JACKSON: With a piece of punctuation attached, you can really tell that it must be part of something else.

HZ: She was part of something else: The Skin Project, a story, 2095 words long, and each word tattooed on a person.

Allusionist 84. Trammels - transcript

September 7, 2018 The Allusionist

ROSS SUTHERLAND: We're taught from a young age to be good sports at losing games. Sportsmanship as a concept is all about being a good loser. And yet we're terrified of the concept of losing art. It's a horrible thing to try and to put yourself out there and for it to fail. So if you can reframe it as a game then all the better.

HZ: Because if you fail again you've just failed at the game and not at art entirely.

ROSS SUTHERLAND: Yeah, exactly. You fail at the game, but then you can play again. it's less of a referendum on your own self-worth if you just lose a game, because we play games all the time and so we're very comfortable with our odds. Whereas I feel when it when it comes to art the odds feel a little bit more important, and they shouldn't.